Mai vanam mistret anul viitor?

[pipabh]

In Elvetia se ia in calcul sa se interzica vinatoarea pina cind „trece“ virusul. Noi am primit deja truse pt. luat probe, fiecare asociatie cite 2 Exemplare. Expertii in cinegetica spun ca boala o putem invinge mai usor daca nu sunt vinati in stinga si in dreapta.
Acum la noi inca nu a aparut problema.

P.S. Liviu trimite o adresa de Mail sa-ti raspund la intrebarea de mai sus, sa lasam topicul pt. tema care sa deschis.

Cu stima Alin

Care experti? Cei britanici?

[tehărău]

P.S. Liviu trimite o adresa de Mail sa-ti raspund la intrebarea de mai sus, sa lasam topicul pt. tema care sa deschis.

Cu stima Alin

Contactele mele au fost publice totdeauna.
liviu.mircea@ymail.com

Nu uita însă că înainte sa corespondam privat sa pui aici, în locul unde a avut loc discuția, postarea pe care ai găsit-o tu și în care eu țin partea AGVPS, așa cum ai afirmat. Altfel se înțelege ca ai găsit-o. Cu un link nu se distruge topicul.

[Alexandru Punga]

Interzicerea vinatorii,o masura controversata, aplicata corespunzator e oarecum justificata .In conditiile de focar confirmat orice contact cu animale vii dar in perioada de incubatie a bolii ,cadavre ,secretii ,excretii ,reprezinta potential pericol de difuzare a bolii .In aceasta situatie obligatoriu masura ar trebui intarita cu interzicerea a oricarei activitati in zona respectiva , de la exploatari forestiere ,adunat ciuperci plimbat cu bicicleta sau pe jos,pasunat ,adunat fin .......altfel masura e fara rost. In afara focarului lucrurile difera si stretegia ,printre altele ,include si reducerea efectivelor (deci vinatoare) mai mult sau mai putin in functie de distanta pina la focar,grad de risc.Cert este ca acolo unde nu e porc fie domestic fie salbatic ...boala nu apare
in timp, desi virusul poate fi prezent, (necrofagi ,pasari calatoare) cu siguranta o sa dispara .

[mialxx]

In Elvetia se ia in calcul sa se interzica vinatoarea pina cind „trece“ virusul. Noi am primit deja truse pt. luat probe, fiecare asociatie cite 2 Exemplare. Expertii in cinegetica spun ca boala o putem invinge mai usor daca nu sunt vinati in stinga si in dreapta.
Acum la noi inca nu a aparut problema.

P.S. Liviu trimite o adresa de Mail sa-ti raspund la intrebarea de mai sus, sa lasam topicul pt. tema care sa deschis.

Cu stima Alin

Care experti? Cei britanici?

Nu! Cei AGVPS, ca doar ei stiu totul.

[Mircea-B]

Se pare ca anul acesta are "semne ne-bune".......PPA a luat-o in diagonala si a poposit tocmai in Tulcea!!!
http://www.mediafax.ro/social/pesta-por ... e-17340047

[biriuck]

A luat-o perpendicular in jos. Grane ieftine din Ucraina, ce ar putea merge rau?

[tehărău]

https://www.agroinfo.ro/economic/ultima ... lcea-ucisi

[laurul]

https://www.agroinfo.ro/economic/ultima-ora-ansvsa-anunta-44-580-de-porci-dintr-o-exploatatie-din-tulcea-ucisi

Carniprod, deja au ajuns doua incineratoare acolo.
Sa vedem daca toti...ca era vorba doar de o hala...

[laurul]

Cam astea spune C.E. ca ar fi masurile aplicabile in cazul mistretului.
Din pacate am textul doar in engleza.
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c) ASF measures to be applied for wild boar
3.1.1. Relevant terms and definitions.
Baiting: (non-sustaining feeding of wild boar): Attracting of wild boar with limited
food (e.g. maize) only for the purpose of hunting. The maximum amount of food
should not exceed 10kg/km2
/month. Baiting should not, in any case, represent a
source of feeding wild boar for sustaining the population during winter.
Culling of wild boar: shooting of wild boar with the intention of collecting and
rendering the whole carcass (no dressing takes place).
Feeding places/devises for other species: (e.g. wild ruminants): Such feeding places
for wild ruminants should not be accessible for wild boar. The feed should not be
attractive for wild boar (e.g. hay).
Wider Area for Medium Term Actions (WAMTA): based on EFSA opinion of June
2015 and the scientific report of 2017, this area surrounds the areas under restriction
as defined in Decision 2014/709/EU with a width up to several hundred kilometres.
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This area should, in addition, take into account the risk of further spread of the
disease for the period of the actions (2 to 4 years). This area should be established,
following a risk assessment, around currently restricted areas and areas bordering
with third countries where ASF in considered to be present. WAMTA can be
established, based on the risk assessment, also in free Member States with a view to
anticipate possible future spread of ASF.
This area should as well take into account the existing wild boar population
distribution and densities and the existence of natural or artificial epidemiological
barriers.
3.1.2. Main strategic points
The following points for controlling and eradicating ASF in the wild boar population are to be
applied at least to the areas under restriction as defined in Decision 2014/709/EU. List of
points:
a) Baiting is allowed (non-sustained feeding, limited food only for attracting wild boar
for hunting, not exceed 10kg/km2
/month).
b) Sustained feeding of wild boar is prohibited.
c) Targeted hunting is encouraged in order to target adult and sub-adult females.
d) The overall hunting bag should be balanced between male and females (50% each).
Priority in reaching the quotas should be given to adult and sub-adult females.
e) Starting from the border between Part I and Part II of Decision 2014/709/EU, in a
strip in Part II at least 20 km wide, hunting should be conducted as such to avoid
excessive movement of animals. The size of the areas can be reviewed based on the
outcome of a risk analysis.
f) The minimum biosecurity requirements for hunters are applied.
3.1.3. Measures to be taken in newly infected areas.
Measures to be applied in the case of the occurrence of ASF in wild boar in an area,
anywgere in the EU, which was previously unaffected by the disease.
a) Newly infected area6
– at the onset of the infection in wild boar:
i. Total ban of wild boar hunting.
ii. Restricted access to the infected area.
iii. Specific training for hunters to reduce the probability of further spread of the
virus in the environment and outside the infected area.
iv. Active patrolling to find carcasses (by trained staff) in order to reinforce passive
surveillance.
v. Containers to store wild boar carcasses in each hunting ground or at least within
the infected area if not possible otherwise. In each storage-point means for
cleaning and disinfection have to be available.
vi. Biosecurity measures in hunting grounds applied by all persons searching for and
handling wild boar carcasses (e.g. avoid possible contamination of vehicles, yards and
houses).

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As described in Council Directive 2002/60/EC.
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vii. Testing of all wild boar carcasses.
viii. Checking biosecurity measures in all pig holdings in the infected area.
b) Infected area – after 2-3 months without cases in the previously set infected area:
i. Culling of wild boar by trained hunters. This implies no dressing of the aniamls
(no evisceration). Shot wild boar to be put in plastic bags to minimise the risk of
spreading the fluids of the animal.
ii. Biosecurity in place (hunting grounds fulfil the prescribed biosecurity measures
approved by competent authority).
iii. All culled animals to be rendered.
iv. Active patrolling to find carcasses (trained staff) in order to reinforce passive
surveillance.
v. No driven hunts.
vi. Total ban on feeding (no baiting).
vii. Testing of all found carcasses and shot wild boar.
c) Infected area – after 4-5 months without cases (including a full summer period):
i. Hunting by trained hunters with LOCAL consumption of wild boar meat after
negative testing.
ii. Application of minimum biosecurity requirements for hunters
iii. No driven hunts.
iv. Total ban on feeding (no baiting).
v. Testing of all found carcasses and shot wild boar.
d) Around infected area (indicatively 100 km radius from the border of infected areas);
measures to be applied at the onset of the infected area:
i. Strong reduction of wild boar density needed. To achieve this, hunting by
targeting adult females followed by sub-adult females (sex ratio of the hunting
bag 1 male : 2 females). This needs to be coupled by a complete ban of any
feeding (both sustaining and attractive).
ii. All shot animals and found carcasses need to be tested with using qRT-PCR.
iii. Checking biosecurity measures in all pig holdings based on the priorities set out
by the competent authority.
3.1.4. Minimum biosecurity requirements for hunters and for all staff searching for and
handling wild boar carcasses:
These should be foreseen by the competent authority; at least these aspects should be
included every time hunting of wild boar is performed or wild boar carcasses are handled in
areas under restriction as defined in Decision 2014/709/EU or in at risk areas :
a) At least one dedicated authorised dressing facility should be available for each
hunting ground. The dressing area should be protected against unauthorised access
by people and animals, equipped with water, sufficient effective disinfectants
available and waste collection equipment. In case dressing area is not present in the
hunting ground, then the closest hunting ground with a dressing facility should be
used.
b) For each hunting ground a facility/premise should be equipped with refrigerator (or
procedures reaching equivalent results in terms of keeping the carcass until
laboratory results are available).
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c) Hunted wild boar should remain in the premises of the hunting ground until tested;
only negative carcasses can be released. To achieve this individual identification of
carcasses is required.
d) Offal from hunted wild boar should not be removed from the animal in the field; shot
wild boar should be brought to dedicated authorised dressing facilities limiting loss of
body fluids (including blood).
e) After dressing the wild boar, the place and equipment used (including transport
vehicles) should be washed and disinfected with authorized disinfectants.
f) Animal by products should be collected and processed in accordance with Regulation
(EC) No 1069/2009.
g) Biosecurity measures shall be applied when searching for and handling wild boar
carcasses to avoid possible contamination of vehicles, yards and houses.
3.1.5. Sampling of wild boar in Member States covered by Decision 2014/709/EU as
follows:
a) Principle of sampling in the whole country (areas regulated by Decision 2014/709/EU
and free areas of the same Member State) should be based on enhanced passive
surveillance: all found dead and sick wild boar have to be tested for ASF using qRTPCR.
In areas included in Parts II and III of the Annex of Decision 2014/709/EU,
sampling in case of group of wild boar found dead simultaneously on the same spot
can be pooled for PCR testing from a representative sample of the group.
b) Additional sampling (active surveillance) from hunted animals has to be performed as
regulated by Decision 2014/709/EU. In areas of Part I of the Annex to Decision
2014/709/EU all hunted animals which are intended to be taken out of that area
must be tested for ASF (qRT-PCR). In areas of Part II and III of the Annex to Decision
2014/709/EU sampling of all hunted animals and of all found dead/sick animals has
to be conducted (100% sampling and testing by qRT-PCR). The hunted animals of
these areas should be tested additionally for antibodies against ASF virus.
c) From hunted animals only blood samples are requested (organs in case of blood
samples unavailable).
3.1.6. Removal of wild boar carcasses in Member States covered by Decision
2014/709/EU:
a) Carcass finding and safe disposal to be carried out at least in the areas listed in the
annex of Decision 2014/709/EU and in any at risk area as defined by the competent
authority. The impact of this measure is more effective the sooner after the death of
the animal that its carcass is removed.
b) In case of detection of ASF in unaffected areas, the passive finding of carcasses
should be supplemented by active search by professionals in hotspots established by
the competent authority.
c) The disposal of carcasses to be carried out either by burial, bringing to the rendering
plant or burning (under supervision of the competent veterinary authorities).
Possible use of appropriate chemicals for local disinfection.
3.1.7. Recurrent awareness campaigns:
a) Should be foreseen for hunters for informing about the new strategy and the
intended goals so to encourage the participation of hunters in the strategy. Emphasis
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should be given to the need to respect biosecurity measures during hunting and the
restrictions for movement of wild boar products.
b) Specific informative material should be displayed at the main transit areas (ports,
airports and major communication axis) informing hunters and travellers of the bans
imposed by the ASF regionalisation.
3.1.8. Measures in the WAMTA
The objective in the WAMTA should be the programmed reduction of wild boar. The
measures should include:
a) Baiting is allowed (non-sustained feeding, limited food only for attracting wild boar
for hunting, not exceed 10kg/km2
/month).
b) Sustained feeding of wild boar is prohibited.
c) Targeted hunting is encouraged in order to target adult and sub-adult females.
d) The overall hunting bag should be balanced between male and females (50% each).
Priority in reaching the quotas should be given to adult and sub-adult females.
e) Principle of sampling should be based on enhanced passive surveillance: all found
dead and sick wild boar have to be tested for ASF using qRT-PCR. Active patrolling to
find carcasses (by trained staff) can be carried out to reinforce surveillance.

[Mircea-B]

Avem noutati calde!!!

[ventura]

Sunt curios in ce calitate, Garda Forestiera, poate dispune gestionarului intensificarea vanatorilor si cum poate ea sa supravegheze indeaproape procesul...

[ventura]

Mai mult decat atat...
Ce fac gestionarii fondurilor din Satu Mare? Au interdictie de la Prefect si liber de la Garda Forestiera...

[Septimiu]

Directiva 1 se refera doar la judetele limitrofe celor afectate iar directiva 2 specifica "celelalte judete". Discutabil...
Interesant este si scrisul de mana din dreapta sus

[ventura]

Intrebarea este: Poate Garda forestiera sa dispuna gestionarului si sa urmareasca indeaproape procesul?

[laurul]

Intrebarea este: Poate Garda forestiera sa dispuna gestionarului si sa urmareasca indeaproape procesul?

Poate Garda Forestiera sa ne apere de ursi?
....ca parca n -as sta la 5 m de peretele de frunza si sa iasa o mamica nervoasa...

[Ciprian_1]

Azi a fost confirmat un focar in Insula Mare a Brailei...

[biriuck]

Intrebarea este: Poate Garda forestiera sa dispuna gestionarului si sa urmareasca indeaproape procesul?

Poate Garda Forestiera sa ne apere de ursi?
....ca parca n -as sta la 5 m de peretele de frunza si sa iasa o mamica nervoasa...

Eu as evita goanele.
Pe langa riscul marit de raspandire a PPA datorita miscarii fortate mai este si foarte periculos in aceasta perioada...

[Mircea-B]

Mie mi se pare ciudat ca se pune accentul pe impuscarea scroafelor: "Pentru ambele situatii se va urmari recoltarea indeosebi a femelelor adulte si subadulte"!!!

[laurul]

Mie mi se pare ciudat ca se pune accentul pe impuscarea scroafelor: "Pentru ambele situatii se va urmari recoltarea indeosebi a femelelor adulte si subadulte"!!!

Nu e ciudat, cand vrei sa reduci densitatea, cam asa procedezi.

[Alexandru Punga]

Problema e urita , confirmarea unui nou focar in Insula mare a Brailei ,suspiciuni la Galati ...Arad , e chestiune de timp , indiferent de masuri ... pentru ca nu neaparat masuile sunt problema ci imposibilitatea aplicarii lor .In maxin un an o sa vedem adevarata amploare a bolii.Gestionarii fondurilor inspirati ,cel mult , pot recuprea un mic procent prin abilitatea de a valorifica in favoare ,,momentul,, ..despagubirile de la stat nu au nici o relevanta .Sper sa nu am dreptate, dar, abia acum o sa vedem cine este vinator si cine e pe acolo din diverse considerente (pornind de la gestionar si pina la membru x).Fare intreventii miraculoase cred ca urmeaza o perioada de declin in evolutia populatiei de vinat ,reducerea dramatica a mistretului o sa puna presiune pe celelalte specii(care mai sunt) cu consecintele de rigoare.

[Clujeanul]

Daca extragi doar cota de recolta ii fix-pix.

[laurul]

Daca extragi doar cota de recolta ii fix-pix.

Nu te impiedica nimeni sa ceri suplimentarea cotei...

[biriuck]

COMUNICAT 04.07.2018
AGVPS·THURSDAY, JULY 5, 201868 Reads
Urmare a solicitării conducerii AGVPS din România, conducerea A.N.S.V.S.A. a stabilit o întâlnire de consultare şi dezbateri în probleme de prevenire, supraveghere şi combatere a pestei porcine africane în România.
Întâlnirea între echipa A.G.V.P.S., compusă din d-nii N. Şelaru, M. Drăgănescu, V. Talpeş şi R. Ploscaru, cu echipa A.N.S.V.S.A., compusă din d-nii G.R. Brănescu, M. Tuchilă şi C. Togan, a avut loc la Tulcea, în data de 03.07.2018 între orele 14:00 şi 16:00.
După o informare punctuală a problemelor şi preocupărilor părţilor, s-au purtat discuţii aplicate privind posibilităţile reale de colaborare în interesul eradicării bolii din focare, supravegherii zonelor limitrofe şi prevenirii extinderii acesteia în restul teritoriului României.
S-a căzut de acord că împreună, medicii veterinari şi vânătorii, vor putea avea o eficienţă indiscutabil mai mare în realizarea obiectivelor precizate, în interesul societăţii româneşti până la urmă.
Reprezentanţii A.G.V.P.S. s-au angajat ca, în continuarea proiectului de „Ghid de proceduri pentru îndeplinirea obligaţiilor ce revin vânătorilor şi personalului gestionarilor fondurilor cinegetice, în colaborare cu medicii veterinari şi structurile A.N.S.V.S.A. în scopul aplicării programului naţional de supraveghere, prevenire şi control a pestei porcine africane (P.P.A.) la mistreţi” să sistematizeze, în cel mai scurt timp, seturi concrete de acţiuni în zonele infectate, zonele de control temporar şi restul teritoriului ţării.
Seturile de acţiuni menţionate au fost deja transmise la A.N.S.V.S.A. azi, 04.07.2018, ca bază de discuţie şi material de lucru, urmând să fie finalizate împreună cu specialiştii acestei instituţii. Propunerile A.G.V.P.S. privind măsurile de combatere şi supraveghere a P.P.A., precum şi propunerile de modificare a proiectului H.G. privind completarea anexei la H.G. nr. 830/2016, supus dezbaterii publice pe site-ul http://www.ansvsa.ro/hotarari-ale-guvernului/ le puteţi vizualiza pe site-ul www.agvps.ro , la secţiunea Noutăţi – Intervenţii ale AGVPS în sprijinul asociaţiilor afiliate ( http://agvps.ro/category/interventii-ale-agvps-in-sprijinul-asociatiilor-afiliate/ ).
Vă vom ţine la curent cu evoluţia situaţiei şi a deciziilor adoptate în materie de P.P.A.

[biriuck]

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[bogus]

http://agrointel.ro/100100/bani-pentru-impuscarea-mistretilor-400-de-lei-stimulent-pentru-fiecare-animal-vanat/

[biriuck]

sa vezi acum participare la vanatoare

[ventura]

Crezi? Dacă gestionarul declara ca el a împușcat mistretii... Si-si insuseste banii...

[laurul]

Crezi? Dacă gestionarul declara ca el a împușcat mistretii... Si-si insuseste banii...

Pai....stimulentul se cuvine gestionarului, nu vanatorului, pe persoana fizica, cum ar zice Vanghelie!

[tehărău]

Definiția, pescarii și apoi asta.
Vreau sa fac un sondaj.
La întrarea în asociații ce va fi întâlnit mai des, tabloul sau bustul?

[ventura]

Ordinul spune clar ca vânătorii, gestionarii si persoanele implicate beneficiază de stimulent.
Ca de asta este stimulent. Altfel vanatorul sta acasă iar Asociația nu mai împușcă nimic doar cu paznicii.