Vinatoare si pescuit in Romania

de **dco** pe 19 Noi 2015, 12:17

Si eu!

de **Alin3006** pe 19 Noi 2015, 12:32

Am semnat si eu. Sper sa am timp azi sa o urc si pe pagina de Facebook a forumului.

de **laurul** pe 19 Noi 2015, 12:57

Semnat si eu...dat si la prieteni.
Din cate am citit...e vorba de banarea armelor semiautomate cu aspect militar care pot fi reactivate pentru foc automat si a pistoalelor cu bila/gaz care pot fi adaptate iute sa traga glont.
Adica ii cam atinge grav pe colectionari....
Oare e cazul sa ne facem griji pentru semi de vanatoare?!

de **the_mav** pe 19 Noi 2015, 13:00

laurul scrie:....
Oare e cazul sa ne facem griji pentru semi de vanatoare?!

TU CE ZICI?!?! :idea:

de **laurul** pe 19 Noi 2015, 13:32

the_mav scrie:
laurul scrie:....
Oare e cazul sa ne facem griji pentru semi de vanatoare?!

TU CE ZICI?!?!

Eu zic ca nu se risca sa-si puna in cap nemtii, francezii, italienii...... :-?

de **OVI762** pe 19 Noi 2015, 15:32

Semnat+vreo doua de dulce,civilizat,of course.

de **paul** pe 19 Noi 2015, 17:15

Am semnat,
Cred ca actiuni in solidar cu cei din alte tari UE, cu preocupari similare cu ale noastre pot avea si efecte scontate favorabile noua.

de **Cristi** pe 19 Noi 2015, 17:42

Raspunsul FACE
http://face.eu/about-us/resources/news/ ... -directive

de **Sly_Fox** pe 19 Noi 2015, 17:49

Bineinteles ca vulpea nu putea sa stea deoparte. Semnat.

de **sean** pe 19 Noi 2015, 18:05

Semnat!

de **Cristi** pe 19 Noi 2015, 19:31

Cristi scrie:
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de **Cristi** pe 19 Noi 2015, 19:34

Cristi scrie:https://www.change.org/p/council-of-the-european-union-eu-you-cannot-stop-terrorism-by-restricting-legal-gun-ownership?recruiter=429822966&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_page&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-custom_msg

Semnati, va rog

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de **Anndrei** pe 19 Noi 2015, 20:11

Am semnat de ieri. Sa vedem daca o sa ia cineva in considerare ce spunem noi...

de **AXP** pe 19 Noi 2015, 21:38

De acord!
Am votat!

de **hunt25** pe 20 Noi 2015, 02:45

Semnat in speranta ca poate conteza desi daca se pune problema de confiscat armele semi, or sa fie destui care or sa le "piarda" inainte sa ajunga pe mana statului si e de inteles ca unii chiar isi iubesc fiarele semi.

de **Cristi** pe 20 Noi 2015, 08:52

Petitia a strans peste 40000 de semnaturi in 36 de ore

de **Sly_Fox** pe 20 Noi 2015, 09:28

Excelent,sper ca si semnaturile noastre sa fi contat,astfel ca europenii sa vada ca romanii nu dorm.
Cam de cate semnaturi ar fi nevoie astfel incat C.E sa ia in calcul petitia?

de **Cristi** pe 20 Noi 2015, 10:58

Sly_Fox scrie:Excelent,sper ca si semnaturile noastre sa fi contat,astfel ca europenii sa vada ca romanii nu dorm.
Cam de cate semnaturi ar fi nevoie astfel incat C.E sa ia in calcul petitia?

Cat de multe. Oricum acesta nu e decat un barometru care sa le aprinda niste becuri ca mai existam si noi,cetatenii. Mai important e sa trimitem scrisori individuale la europarlamentari. Dupa cum vedeti FACE e pe prima linie si ar trebui acum ca si AGVPS sa se implice prin scrisori si proteste, chiar iesiri organizate ale vanatorilor si altor detinatori de arme in strada . Asa ar putea demonstra ca este intr-adevar de partea vanatorilor detinatori legali de arme. E un prllej si pentru noua Federatie pentru a demonstra ca ii pasa. ANDA oricum nu va muri cu mainile ridicate, ci tragand pana la ultimul cartus . Acum lupta pentru drepturile noastre e internationala. Micile disensiuni interne nu mai conteaza.

de **biriuck** pe 20 Noi 2015, 16:16

Semnatarul nr 48.621

de **laurul** pe 20 Noi 2015, 17:32

Cristi scrie: Mai important e sa trimitem scrisori individuale la europarlamentari.

Adresele lor?!

de **Cristi** pe 20 Noi 2015, 18:38

Astia sunt alesii:
Victor BOŞTINARU
Daniel BUDA
Cristian-Silviu BUŞOI
Andi CRISTEA
Viorica DĂNCILĂ
Mircea DIACONU
Damian DRĂGHICI
Doru-Claudian FRUNZULICĂ
Maria GRAPINI
Cătălin Sorin IVAN
Monica MACOVEI
Ramona Nicole MĂNESCU
Marian-Jean MARINESCU
Sorin MOISĂ
Siegfried MUREŞAN
Victor NEGRESCU
Dan NICA
Norica NICOLAI
Ioan Mircea PAŞCU
Emilian PAVEL
Cristian Dan PREDA
Laurenţiu REBEGA
Daciana Octavia SIRBU
Csaba SÓGOR
Theodor Dumitru STOLOJAN
Claudiu Ciprian TĂNĂSESCU
Claudia TAPARDEL
Mihai ŢURCANU
Traian UNGUREANU
Adina-Ioana VĂLEAN
Renate WEBER
Iuliu WINKLER

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de **TITI68** pe 20 Noi 2015, 20:05

Semnat !

de **Cristi** pe 20 Noi 2015, 21:37

Raspunsul parlamentului finlandez!

Finnish Parlament Statement Regarding Revision of Weapons Directive E 60/2015
Original Statement:
https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Lausu ... +2015.aspx

Proposal:

In the E-letter received there is a question regarding pre-emptive measures to potential changes to weapons directive. According to letter, we can expect that European Commission proposes restrictions to private ownership of at least automatic firearms and proposes moving the semiautomatic versions of assault rifles to category A and restricting private sales of firearms over internet.

Opinion of the Cabinet:
Banning of the automatic weapons and restricting semiautomatic versions:
Finland believes that commission should restrict illegal trafficing of firearms instead. Illegal trafficing will become harder once deactivation standards are aligned. According to commission this is discussed in meeting of firearms committee on 3rd of November 2015. In addition trafficing can be curbed by aligning the legislation regarding ”essential parts” of firearms in member countries more efficiently. Restrictions to internet-trade and more supervision can also prevent firearms from falling into wrong hands.

Instead of banning private ownership permits process can be revised to control the possession of such firearms better than today for example requiring proof of need and membership in sports organization. In addtion permits could be re-evaluated periodically.

Restrictions to arms collectors:
Deactivated firearms have little to none collectors value and banning them does not harm shooting sports in Finland. Possession of automatic firearms should still be allowed to private collectors and museums. Also it is necessary to continue giving permits to full auto firearms for academic purposes.

Restrictions to Internet sales:
Instead banning internet sales, better option would be to control it. Permits should be required to purchase firearms online and sales over the bordes should controlled by improving exchange of information between the authorities.

Arguments of the Cabinet:

In the E-letter there is a question about pre-emptive measures regarding directive 91/477/ETY (firearms directive) revision. According to information commission has given statement on 18th of November 2015 to which U-letter is being prepared. In this statement cabinet addresses the questions regarding changes to weapons directive based on feedback received from the experts. In this weapons directive the minimum standards are set for weapons legislation in member countries. This directive only sets the minimum level for national legislation and it has proven to be inefficient regarding weapon definitions and essential parts. Due to this national legislation differs in member countries and because of this it is possible to legally buy parts and assemble firearms and transport them to another country where those parts are illegal. Therefore the current control system is inefficent and risk of getting caught is only minor.

Based on estimates, the European Commission proposes restrictions to private ownership of at least automatic firearms and proposes moving the semiautomatic versions of assault rifles to category A and restricting private sales of firearms over internet. No detailed information is available at this time.

Based on recent studies, these restrictions might have significant impact to private ownership of firearms and shooting sports in Finland. Depending on the proposed content, these restrictions will impact national defense, national reserve shooting events, sports shooting, hunting and weapons collecting. This also has a significant impact on gun manufacturers and retailers.

Cabinet proposes to pay particular attention to impact for voluntary military reserve activities. Voluntary reserve has a significant role in maintaining both will and skill of the reserve. Finlands defence relies on large reserve.

95% of the military personnel are reserve whose skills are maintained by Finnish Defence forces. Voluntary activities support this activity and ensures that reserve can support authorities.

According to studies restrictions to semiautomatic assault rifles and machine pistols will have significant impact to skills of the armed reserve. Shooting activities are mostly performed with weapons proposed to be restricted and over time this will impact both skills and morale of the reserve. According to cabinet restricting reserve activities sends a mixed signals outside. According to studies, change also impacts the position of maanpuolustuskoulutusyhdistys as a strategic partner to Finnish Defence forces specially if possession of weapons is not allowed to public organizations.

Banning of the private ownership of semiautomatic firearms leads to the end of the sports shooting activities like pistol shooting, IPSC and it also might impact weapons used for hunting. Banning of automatic firearms impacts collectors.

Based on E-letter, restrictions to internet sales are vague at best. There is no information whether selling, buying or both are proposed to be restricted. The weapon types mentioned in E-letter are already requiring permits in Finland and moving them over borders requires permits as well. Customs will monitor that weapons moving across the borders have all necessary permits. Proposed restrictions perhaps try to address illegal firearms sales where parts are sourced from multiple countries exploiting the differences in legislation when it comes to deactivation standards and definitions of ”essential parts”. According to studies received by the cabinet, there have been incidents where deactivated firearms have been found to be easily converted back to functional automatic weapons. These insufficiently deactivated firearms have been found from Finland. Cabinet agrees that common deactivation standards would be an efficient mean to prevent illegal firearms trafficing and process to align standards should be expedited.

In Finland all restrictions apply only to law abiding citizens who use firearms in authorized and controlled shooting sports. Restrictions to internet sales would introduce additional challenges to those transactions where the distance between buyer and the seller is long. This is common in Finland. Also weapon maintenance is essential part of firearm safety.

The goal of the commission is to improve internal security of the EU. According to cabinet measures in E-letter, it is not possible to efficiently prevent obtaining firearms illegally. Instead proposed measures target already restricted legal activities. Received statements also indicate that the more strict the firearms control is, the bigger the demand for illegal firearms is.

The changes should address restricting the illegal firearms trafficing instead. In addition cabinet states, that preventing crime in EU area requires contant efficient communication between different authorities and expert knowledge of the firearms law.

It is the opinion of the cabinet that in Finland firearms law is strict but functional which enables safe and controlled weapons collecting, shooting sports, hunting and reserve shooting activities and participation to shooting competitions. Cabinet also believes, that EU restrictions should rather use Finnish firearms legislation as a model of a working firearms law ant try to harmonize EU legislation according to Finnish legislation.

de **OVI762** pe 21 Noi 2015, 08:07

Raspuns de oameni normali la cap:vedeti bai comisia pu...stii de traficul ilegal de arme si daca nu stiti ce e de facut aveti constitutia noastra drept model,va lasam sa copiati o tzara din ea fara sa va certam.Toata stima si respectul pentru finlandezi,au sange in coaie dar le circula si prin creier,iar aici ''the more strict the firearms control is, the bigger the demand for illegal firearms is'' sa traiasca 1000 de ani fara reparatii ala care a scris asa ceva,mai frumos si mai adevarat nici ca se putea.Abia astept sa vad si lipsa de raspuns a mamaligilor care la anul vor veni sa milogeasca un vot de la noi,ia sa vedem cui ii scriem''neshte''vorbe :evil:

de **Anndrei** pe 21 Noi 2015, 21:45

EVIDENT, VOI AVEA GRIJA MARE CU CINE VOTEZ... DACA MERITA...

DESIGUR; SI FAMILIA MEA SI AMICII APROPIATI.

de **Cristi** pe 22 Noi 2015, 08:41

Romania victor.bostinaru@europarl.europa.eu Victor BOŞTINARU Partidul Social Democrat
Romania daniel.buda@europarl.europa.eu Daniel BUDA Partidul Naţional Liberal
Romania cristiansilviu.busoi@europarl.europa.eu Cristian-Silviu BUŞOI Partidul Naţional Liberal
Romania andi.cristea@europarl.europa.eu Andi CRISTEA Partidul Social Democrat
Romania vasilicaviorica.dancila@europarl.europa.eu Viorica DĂNCILĂ Partidul Social Democrat
Romania mircea.diaconu@europarl.europa.eu Mircea DIACONU Independent
Romania damian.draghici@europarl.europa.eu Damian DRĂGHICI Uniunea Națională pentru Progresul României
Romania doru.frunzulica@europarl.europa.eu Doru-Claudian FRUNZULICĂ Uniunea Națională pentru Progresul României
Romania maria.grapini@europarl.europa.eu Maria GRAPINI Partidul Puterii Umaniste
Romania monica.macovei@europarl.europa.eu Monica MACOVEI Independent
Romania marian-jean.marinescu@europarl.europa.eu Marian-Jean MARINESCU Partidul Naţional Liberal
Romania sorin.moisa@europarl.europa.eu Sorin MOISĂ Partidul Social Democrat
Romania siegfried.muresan@europarl.europa.eu Siegfried MUREŞAN Partidul Mișcarea Populară
Romania victor.negrescu@europarl.europa.eu Victor NEGRESCU Partidul Social Democrat
Romania dan.nica@europarl.europa.eu Dan NICA Partidul Social Democrat
Romania norica.nicolai@europarl.europa.eu Norica NICOLAI Independent
Romania emilian.pavel@europarl.europa.eu Emilian PAVEL Partidul Social Democrat
Romania laurentiu.rebega@europarl.europa.eu Laurenţiu REBEGA Independent
Romania csaba.sogor@europarl.europa.eu Csaba SÓGOR Uniunea Democrată Maghiară din România
Romania ana-claudia.tapardel@europarl.europa.eu Claudia TAPARDEL Partidul Social Democrat
Romania traian.ungureanu@europarl.europa.eu Traian UNGUREANU Partidul Naţional Liberal
Romania adinaioana.valean@europarl.europa.eu Adina-Ioana VĂLEAN Partidul Naţional Liberal
Romania renate.weber@europarl.europa.eu Renate WEBER Independent
Romania iuliu.winkler@europarl.europa.eu Iuliu WINKLER Uniunea Democrată Maghiară din România

de **Cristi** pe 22 Noi 2015, 08:47

photo upload

Daca nu luam pozitie, cam asa se va intampla.

de **Cristi** pe 22 Noi 2015, 09:22

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Petition update

36 Hours and 75000 signatures
stijn Vandamme
Boezinge, Belgium
Nov 21, 2015 — Good evening,

first of all , thank you for signing.

We have reached 75000 people in 36 hours!!!
Great stuff.
The IPSC groups and Firearms United in Poland and Germany have been doing great work.
Several online magazines and groups picked up and linked the petition.
Last but not least we just got recommended on the Facebook page of Polish politician and writer Janusz Korwin-Mikke. 733000 followers, let's hope they all sign.

So far, the good news.

Unfortunately , 75000 is but a small number compared to the size of the EU. There are 500 Million + people in the EU and we have to reach more of them.

What can you do?

- Contact your politicians, regional, national, and EU level.
Ask them to back up the cause and post the petition on social media. They have the following to get us the attention we need.

- Write a letter to the elected Members of European Parliament for your country.
Paper, enveloppe, stamp, do it old school
Bags of letters in their office do more then an email!!

- Talk to people about this, make them aware of what is happening. Go outside your usual circles and make sure everybody understands that it is still an issue, even if perhaps they are not affected right away.

A supporter from France sent me this (Thanks Francois)

"First they came for the B4 guns, and I did not speak out—
Because I didn't have any B4 guns.
Then they came for the B1 guns, and I did not speak out—
Because I didn't have any B1 guns.
Then they came for the C guns, and I did not speak out—
Because I already sold my C guns.
Then they asked me to give them my D guns—
and there was no one left to speak for me..."

I could not illustrate it any better then this.
Explain to them :

Hunters, Airsofters, Airgun shooters, Militaria, pistol shooters.

'You may not have a Semi Automatic Rifle , and thus might not be affected now.

But who do you think they will come after once they nailed the Riflemen to the cross? That's right, you will be next.

You cannot afford to stand by and ignore this.'

Talk to everybody, even non shooters.
Post this petition online:
comments of the news blogs
forums and BBS's
Even offline, hang out a notice at your shooting club

We need to push hard on this, because right now, the EU is pushing harder. Do not delay, time is not on our side!!!

Good luck, Good Shooting,
Stijn Vandamme